Are the Braves Too Good To Be Beaten?- Jayson Stark Weighs In

Author and Dylan MacKinnon

September 15th, 2023 2:49 PM

This Braves team is good. That is not really saying anything groundbreaking. Phillies fans just saw them over a 4-game series put up a ton of runs. And it is what they have been doing to teams all year long. They are about to lock up the NL one seed, with a couple of weeks left in the season. But how good are they? And can they be beaten? Jayson Stark joined The Best Show Ever this week and gave his thoughts.

“What you have seen (this series) it is not just to the Phillies, they do this to everybody. They are not just great, they are historically great. The Braves have the same weighted runs created plus as the 1927 Yankees. They are tied for 1st in the history of baseball… The Braves are going to have 8 players, maybe 9, with 20 home runs. 5 with 30, they may even have 5 with 40. They are going to lead the Major Leagues in home runs by 50 or maybe 60 home runs. Which is unheard of. They will finish with 300 HRs and 100 steals. That is also unheard of.

They just bludgeon everyone. It goes 1-9 in the lineup. One team I talked to compared playing the Braves to playing Buddy Ryan’s 1985 Bears. Where the QB feels like he is running for his life from the first play. That is what it is like to play them. Almost nobody shuts that lineup down. So if the Phillies are going to beat them… they are going to have to out-mash them.”

They lead the leagues in team batting average, team OBP, team SLG %, and their team ops is .044 points higher than the next team. This is the best-hitting team, perhaps in MLB history. There are no weak spots in the lineup. Once you get past Acuna, Albies, and Riley, then you have to deal with Olson, Azuna, Rosario, and Harris.

Does that mean they are unbeatable? No. But like Jayson Stark said, you are going to have to out-hit them. Because as we saw in the most recent series, shutting down their lineup is pretty hard to do. Zack Wheeler was pitching well against them, then two home runs later his team was down 6-1. And the Phillies might just be one of the few times with a chance to keep up with the Braves Bats.

In August the Braves led the league with 194 runs. The Phillies were 2nd with 176 runs. It puts in perspective how good the Braves are that despite how historically great the Phillies bats were in August, they still trailed the Braves in runs. But it does show that this team can mash at the same level. And in that 4-game series, despite losing 3 out of 4, the Phillies hit the Braves pitching, apart from Spencer Strider. Two of the 3 losses went to extra innings. Braves Closer Raisel Iglesias blew two straight saves.

Trea Turner is playing better than any Short Stop ever has in the past month. Kyle Schwarber is one of the best power hitters in the league. Alec Bohm and Bryson Stott are both promising young players having career years. And we know Bryce Harper is as good as anyone in baseball when healthy. The question marks will be Nick Castellanos and JT Realmuto, who have been struggling of late. Still, this Phillies lineup can light up the scoreboard.

And the Braves still have the cloud from last year’s playoff loss over them. They came into that series the far superior team and still lost in 4 games. They are even better this year, but so is the Phillies lineup. And Jayson Stark talked about how the Braves are at least a bit worried about seeing the Phillies again.

“They are weary of the Phillies. They lived through last October, and they know how good the Phillies are and how good the Phillies offense is.”

If the two teams meet, the Phillies are going to be underdogs. That is not disrespect to the Phillies, it is just acknowledging how great the Braves are. But they have lost series this season. They can be beaten. The Phillies are just going to have to play at their very best, and that goes double for the bats.

You can listen to the full conversation with Jayson Stark below:

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Could Bryce Harper Make it to 600 HRs? History Says He Has a Chance

• Barry Bonds-31 years 9 months 3 days- 762 HRs

  Barry Bonds, who obviously is the HR king*, was older than Bryce Harper when he hit 300. But we also know that Barry Bonds had some assistance hitting HRs late in his career. The question is not can Harper hit 762 though, it is can he hit 600? And at the very least, he is ahead of schedule compared to what Barry Bonds did. Harper is almost a year younger than Barry Bonds was the day he hit his 300th. He won’t have HGH helping keep him strong late in his career though

• Hank Aaron - 29 years 2 months 14 days- 755 HRs

  Hank Aaron, the HR King if you discount Barry Bonds for cheating, was over a year ahead of Bryce Harper’s pace. He also did it in two fewer seasons. But he passed the 600 HR mark by 155 Homers. So again, while this does not bode well for Harper passing Aaron, that is not the question at hand. That Aaron was just a year younger than Harper, and went on to hit 455 more, makes you think Harper at least has a chance at 300.

  

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• Babe Ruth- 30 years 7 months 3 days- 714 HRs

  The first guy to reach 300 hrs did it when he was just 3 months younger than Bryce Harper. He did do it in far fewer games though. Babe Ruth didn’t start being a hitter full-time until he was 24. And he had 11 seasons of 40 plus HRs, 4 seasons with 50, and 1 with 60. Harper currently only has 1 season of at least 40. So it is hard to compare Harper to Ruth. The advantage Harper has is he started much younger, with nearly a 5-year head start as an everyday hitter. He also can hit 114 fewer Hrs and still make it into the 600 club.

  

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• Albert Pujols- 28 years 5 months 19 days

  If you want to make the case for Harper to hit 600, Pujols is not the comparison to make. By Harper’s age, Pujols was actually hitting 400. And he started at 21 whereas Harper started at 19. So in terms of HR production, as great as Harper is, he does not quite compare. Pujols’s early career production is unmatched by almost any else in MLB History. His production waned a bit after 35, but he played until he was 42 to make up for that. He became just the 4th player to hit 700.

  To reach 600, Harper is going to have to play into his 40s like Pujols. But unlike Pujols, he would still have to be hitting 30 a season into his late 30s’. Harper is under contract until he is almost 40, so hopefully for the 2030 Phillies’ sake, that will be the case.

• Alex Rodriguez- 27 years 11 months 8 days- 696 HRs

  A-Rod is the youngest to hit nearly every HR milestone. He got an early start, having his first 30 hr season at 20 years old. And then he came just 4 short of hitting 700. But like Bonds and Sosa, his accomplishments are a bit marred by a cheating scandal. But that aside, he had as good of a power swing as anyone. He had 3 seasons with 50+ homers, more than anyone in MLB history apart from Sosa, McGwire, and Ruth.

  He only had one season with 30+ after 34 though. So while Harper is way behind his pace currently, he can catch up if stays healthier late in his career, doesn’t fall off, and also does not get suspended for an entire season for taking PEDs.

• Willie Mays- 30 years 1 months 29 days- 660 HRs

  Mays is the only player to hit 600 HRs, have 300 steals, and not be connected to a PED scandal. Which is why many will still say he is the best player of all time. Mays was 9 months younger than Harper when he hit 300. He also took some time off to serve in the Military and didn’t return to playing Baseball until he was 23. Mays played until he was 42, and was still showing elite power until he was 35. The similar age bodes well for Harper though.

  

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• Ken Griffey Jr.- 28 years 4 months 23 days- 630

  Griffey like Harper and A Rod started young. The latter part of his career was unfortunately marred by a few injuries. He just barely hit 200 Hrs after the age of 31, but he hit so many before He turned 31 that he still got to 600. Had he stayed healthy he likely would have made it to 700. Harper has not had anywhere near the highs Ken Griffey did to this point in his career. And Harper has had more injuries early in his career than Griffey did. But if he flips it, and stays healthy late, he might be able to enter the same club Griffey did when he was 38.

• Jim Thome- 31 years 9 months 8 days- 612

  The only guy who played for the Phillies, and reached 600. He hit 400 as a Phillies but was with Cleveland when he hit 300. He is one of the few people on this list that was older than Harper, by almost a year, when he hit number 300. Thome may be regarded as one of the least exciting players of the 600 HR Club. But he is actually 6th all-time in ABs per HR at 13.76. So in many ways, he may be the most underrated player on the list.

• Sammy Sosa- 30 years 7 months 14 days -609

  Sosa is another one of those guys who held some help reaching 600. So it is hard to compare to him because career HR push is artificial. But in terms of pace, Harper was right in line with him. Despite the help from artificial substances, Sosa only lasted until 38, and his last real power season came at 35. So if Harper stays in better shape than Sosa did, he could surpass what Sosa did just by lasting longer and starting earlier.

  

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• Bryce Harper- 30 years 10 months 14 days

  Which brings us to Bryce, He turns 31 in October. So he is younger than 2 of the 9 guys who have done it before them. Many of the guys who were younger than him, shot significantly past the 700 mark. He was younger than both Barry Bonds and Jim Thome. But both also did it in fewer at bats than him

  The lack of 40 HR seasons so far does not bode well for him. He has that potential, but he has been too oft-injured. Harper has just 4 seasons with at least 140 games played. When healthy though, he could easily be a 40 HR guy

  Given his age, he has a shot at 600. But from here on he needs to stay healthy, and he needs to have more seasons of 40 plus. He needs 9 more seasons of 35 or more HRs to reach 600. But if he mixes in some 40 HR season, or even a 50 one, that can get down to 5 or 6. He is also likely going to need to stay an elite player past 35.

  500 is a more realistic target, and at this point, he is a lock to get 400. But surprisingly, it is not out of the question that he could join the 600 HR club. Like Jayson Stark mentioned, age-wise he compares well to the other guys who went on to hit 600.

  BRYCE. HARPER.#RingTheBell pic.twitter.com/zy0uCGTa6Q

  — Philadelphia Phillies (@Phillies) August 30, 2023

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Author and Dylan MacKinnon

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